--- title: Times and Seasons description: Issues of 1841 to 1842. authors: - Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints editors: - Ebenezer Robinson - Don Carlos Smith - Smith, Joseph, Jr. - Taylor, John collections: - periodicals tags: - newspaper - times-and-seasons - nauvoo - nineteenth-century periodical: Times and Seasons volume: 3 number: 13 published: 1842-05-01 publisher: E. Robinson and D. C. Smith; later John Taylor publisher_place: Commerce and Nauvoo, Illinois language: en type: article reference: "“The Jews,” *Times and Seasons* 3, no. 13 (May 1, 1842): 780–781." printed_title: THE JEWS. source: url: https://archive.org/details/per_utah-and-the-mormons_times-and-seasons_1842-05-01_3_13 transcription: Text from the Centerplace.org transcription (https://www.centerplace.org/history/ts/v3n13.htm), with its page breaks; this Internet Archive scan is the reference copy (its OCR was used only as a witness for OCR repair) identifier: per_utah-and-the-mormons_times-and-seasons_1842-05-01_3_13 start_page: 780 end_page: 781 curator_note: A Mormon newspaper published by the church in Nauvoo; included for historical study. Inclusion does not imply endorsement. rights: status: public-domain basis: US publication 1842 (Nauvoo, Illinois); published before 1931, so public domain in the United States source: https://archive.org/details/per_utah-and-the-mormons_times-and-seasons_1842-05-01_3_13 publication_year: 1842 --- # The Jews Conversation between a Jewish Rabbi and Mr. Ewald London Missionary. On the Trinity he says I opened the Sohar Parsha Ackremoth, I read the mystery of Eloheim, in this there are three degrees, and every one of them subsists by itself and yet all of them are one, and united together in one, nor can they be separated from one another. Rabbi Judedea said, this is a mystery about which I am not permitted to speak. In speaking of Jesus the Rabbi said not one of the wise men believed on him; all his disciples were poor ignorant fishermen and daily laborers.-We read in Cabala that the Holy Ghost descends only on a wise man, or a rich man, or a valiant man. M. The Yalkut says that in the days of the Messiah the swine shall be lawfully eaten by the Jews. R. You do not understand the meaning of this passage our wise men explain it thus:-"When Israel were carried away to Babylon all the fishes of the Holy land emigrated with them; and when they returned the fish returned with them, except one fish Mashpa, who remained and would not return; he said he would stay till Messiah came; the Rabbies [Rabbis] gave him then the name of Haser, (i.e.) returning and therefore the Yalkut said that in the times of the Messiah the Haser will be lawfully eaten by the Jews but you understand by Haser the swine, while we understand the fish. M. Speaking of the Messiah, he is the only begotten of the Father before the world. R. Who tells you that? M. The New Testament. R. This is no authority with me. M. What do you make of Gen. xlix, 10. R. There are yet rulers of Israel for instance in Constantinople. M. Have you ever read our New Testament? R. No, I have them burned as often as I can. . . . . . But if he whom you call Christ were the Messiah would not the Sanhedrin who were the wisest men on earth, have believed in him. M. Have your wise men ever believed the messengers of God? How did they treat them? Your fathers killed all the prophets. R. It is for that we are in gallooth. M. You are in gallooth because you did reject Christ: this is your gallooth here, and your gallooth in the world to come is greater. . . . . . The Missionary then spoke of Messiah &c. &c. The Rabbi answered:-well, well, you believe it;-well we do not. M. Then you will have no part of the world to come, you will reject the message which has been sent to you from God, by the prophets which we quote. R. The prophets have been sent to us it is true; but when they have spoken evil of Israel, God has killed them; therefore take care how you speak. On account of the sin which Isaiah committed in saying "Wo is me for I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips; and dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips," he was killed by God; God sent an angel who put something on his lips by which he was killed, . . . . . a live coal on his lips from which he died. [Jewish Intelligencer.] It is very difficult to ascertain which of the above have displayed the most ignorance in regard to either the Mosaic, or the Christian economy. The closing remarks of the missionary however manifests weakness and folly to a degree. "Then you will have no part in the world to come, you will reject the message which has been sent to you by the prophets which we quote." As if the Rabbi was going to be damned for not bowing with deference to his ipse dixit; or for not being governed by his quotations, and interpretations. The Rabbi had the prophets before the missionary took them to him and was capable of quoting them: and on this ground was as likely to be damned before the missionary went to him as after; or had he the folly to suppose that his barely quoting passages of scripture would condemn the Rabbi to perdition, if he rejected his testimony? The Rabbi had as good ground to say that the missionary would be damned if he rejected the testimony of the Rabbi; but the missionary might with propriety say that the Rabbi was an unbelieving Jew; and the Rabbi might say in as good faith that the missionary was a gentile dog;-but the missionary had been sent by the London Society; and the Rabbi had been set apart by the laws and ordinances of Moses;-yet the laws and ordinances of Moses are abrogated in Christ. The London Society however had never been acknowledged by either Moses, or Christ; nor the missionary set apart, nor sent by either. So look at it which way we will the Rabbi had as good ground to go upon as the missionary, and he was as capable of going on a mission to teach the missionary, as the missionary was qualified to teach him. What consummate ignorance is displayed in missionaries quoting the New Testament to the Jews, as proof of the divine mission of Jesus Christ;-says the Jew in answer, "well well you believe it well I do not." And how could it be otherwise, for, "how can they believe on him of whom they have not heard? and how can they hear without a preacher? and how can he preach except he be sent? Yet the missionary was sent by the London Society, to send out missionaries-if the above named gentleman had been sent by God instead of by the London Society he would have known his business better.-Ed.