--- title: "The Seventy's Course in Theology, Third Year: The Doctrine of Deity" description: The third year volume of B. H. Roberts's study course for the Mormon Church's Seventy quorums, 1910. authors: - Roberts, B. H. collections: - theology tags: - theology - seventy - course published: "1910" publisher: Caxton Press edition: Third Year (Salt Lake City, 1910) language: en type: book reference: "B. H. Roberts, comp. and ed., *The Seventy's Course in Theology, Third Year: The Doctrine of Deity* (Salt Lake City: Caxton Press, 1910), part 2, lesson XXVIII." source: url: https://archive.org/download/seventyscoursein00robe/seventyscoursein00robe.pdf identifier: seventyscoursein00robe transcription: Text transcribed from the Brigham Young University (Harold B. Lee Library) scan on the Internet Archive. start_page: "146" end_page: "151" rights: status: public-domain basis: 1910 US publication (Salt Lake City); compiled and edited by B. H. Roberts, copyright notice of 1910; published before 1931, so public domain in the United States source: https://archive.org/details/seventyscoursein00robe publication_year: 1910 --- # Lesson XXVIII. MODERN CONCEPTIONS OF GOD LESSON XXVIII. (Scripture Reading Exercise.) MODERN CONCEPTIONS OF GOD. ANALYSIS. REFERENCES. I. The Period — State of Philosophy. Many ties citedofin the Lessonsauthorixxv, xxvi and xxvii will be available in this; also II. Modern Schools of Philosophy: the works of Bacon, Locke, Hobbes, Deston,cartes, Spinoza, Hamil- Berkeley, Hume, 1. Empiricism; Mill; also Kant, Fichte, Hegel and Spencer. 2. Idealism; It may be that the works of these masters may only be available to those within reach of 3. Eationalism; reference libraries. The following, however, are one-volume works that 4. Pantheism; would be of great service in studying this lesies inson: John Fiske'sHistory Religion; Stud- 5. Materialism; of Philosophy, Elmendorf; "The Conception of God" — Royce, Leconte, 6. Monism; Howison, cal ModernMeze; "Typi- Conceptions of God," Leighton; Haeckel's "Riddle of the 7. Mormonism — Eternalism. Universe;" ditto, "Won- Mills' ders of Life," "Theism and J.andS. Berkeley," and "Mormon Roberts'of Doctrine Deity." SPECIAL TEXT: ''Gird up now tliy loins like a man * * * and answer thou me. Where ivast thou luhen I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof if thou knowest, or who hath stretched the line upon itf Whereon are the foundations thereof fastened, or who laid the cornerstone thereof?" J oh. xxxviii. NOTES. 1. The Period: The Modern period extends from ttie establishment of Protestantism, in the middle of the sixteenth century, until the present time. Necessarily the limits imposed upon our treatise can admit only of j45 a very limited presentation of the conceptions of God during that important thought-revolutionary period, covering something over 250 years. In this period philosophy occupies a most independent position. It is no longer dominated by the Church; nor are its efforts consecrated to the advocacy of the defense of "orthodox Christian" dogma In fact, little is heard of that dogma. "Highest truths," writes Elmendorf in his "History of Philosophy," "were to be determined by reason alone; not even an appeal for verification to Christian revelation (was) recognized. Ancient systems were reconstructed without any reference to the teaching of the Church, or it was maintained that philosophic truth might be false according to faith and conversely. * * * * -phe sixteenth century was a period of transition, of confusion, without settled method or principle; there was no predominating school, no originality, but a vague following of every ancient school. Greek thinkers were now read in the original, and men, no longer scholastics, were Platonists, Peripatetics, etc.; but rather as scholars, classicists, than with any comprehensive or productive grasp of the principles which they protessed. "Without great names, there was a widening of the sphere of philosophy; itwas popularized, but the influence of c.'assicism made the culture of mere form as extreme as the neglect of it among the later schoolmen; but philosophy at the same time exerted, particularly through the 'humanists', a more manifest influence on general literature, science, and social life. * * * The invention of printing, together with the increase of wealth in the free cities, widened immensely the interest in philosophy, and brought it sensibly into general literary culture and political life." (History of Philosophy — Elmendorf — pp. 142-3.) There was a reversion in Europe to the speculations of Plato and Aristotle, and the intellectual battles of the two Greeks were fought over again in Europe, with sometimes one and sometimes the other prevailing. The effort of philosophical thinking, as already remarked, was not now to either sustain or disprove the Divine Existence or the mode of that existence, as expressed in the Orthodox Christian creeds; but its aim was more especially to set forth the modes of divine existence independent of theological conceptions. Is the Absolute to be apprehended as "Will," "finding its completion in the intuition of perfect attainment?" Or "Reason," "comprehending itself as the eternal process of the world anl finding that all is Good?" Or "Feeling," "which apprehends the unity of things in a single and immediate act of self-consciousness?" Or merely "Blind Energy," "which seems in a cross-section of time, as viewed by the average spectator, to have a definite direction, but which in reality has neither a "whence nor whither;" and no other goal than the meaningless eternal oscillation between states of motion and states of rest." ("Typical Modern Conceptions of God" — by Joseph Alexander Leighton — 1901 — Introduction, p.8.) ., 2v Modern Schools of Philosophys.igjOfext^o^ive is Abe BerwdmoWiUJbi der consideratiou, and so numerous the voices to be heard, that one cannot hope in tlyee lessons— to which space it is necessary that we limit ourselves — to convey, even by quotation from typical philosophers of thje period, an adequate Idea of the conceptiohs of God that, have obtained.. It will he necessary for the in^vidu?.! student personally to take up .th» subject in private study if he leeis the necessity of wide knowledge on thf* speculat,ions of men on the Supi'eme Being and His modes of existence^ia Meantime, the numerous teachers of this period may be grouped under general descriptive terms which relate either to their methods of thought or the result of their thinking, sometimes to botttP ooiiiiq a a£:w "In -the wave of philosophical inquiry which Pwept t)Ver* 'feiltop^''^ th^ Middle of the seventeenth century, and is regarded as the b^^nriitt^ of a liew, scientific age of the world, there were two controlling, bti't divergent forces, those, namely, represented by Bacon and Descartes, the first the founder of thfe experimental, and the latter the idealistic 6i^ dogmatic method of philosophizing. From the former (Bacon), we may trace a continuous infltience through L'odke, Berkeley, Hume down to Mill, Spencer, Darwin and Huxley; from the latter ^Descartes), tit^-tf^ velopment of -the modern idealism represented by Kant, Fichte, ''Heg^, Schopenhauer, and Lotze." (Introduction to the Works of Spinoza; 'pi 5:)'^ ' direct, and especially individual, observation and experience, to the exclusion, of theories or aas.umed principles, aaid sometimes of. all reasoned processes, inductive or deductive. The. doctrine that all knowledge is derived,Xrom the senses, ox experienxje through the senses, or at least from the perception of simple historical fact; experientialism; opposed to intuitionalism. Empiricism, aS its name imports, affirms that all our knowledge comes from experience, and is therefore subject to all the im- perfectiohs and lliriitatloas of experience." (Standard Dictionary".)''"' '"'^'"* X (W y , JdMliS'?'"' .>!"Wiealisggi — that e,3f plana^ioi;i of , the ,^Qrld whicl^ pi^^fi- tains that the only thing absolutely, feal i^ mind,; that alj, material, and ?^11 teniporal existences take their being from mind, f rorn copscious^ie^s that thinks and experiences; thai, out of .consciousness they all, Issue,, to, consciousness are presen^ted, ,an|i th^t, presence to ccms^iousnegs constitute their entire reajity and,^ntire exls^i^cQ,'^ (Prof.,Hpwiso;n,, Gq^ of ?^j^.h^^3jur%\{f^Adi If.o3 -losiio oa hxi2 ";^^iLnii'u ion O'j09f)7.'- z •'..:iji3ii I) "-r-T") " t^oi ^o s^VrJr bn^ rrobom to ?3ln1». neswtsd portfiinoao lemale (c) Rationalism: In pjtiilosophy means, "the doctrine t^afe rea^opr furnishes certain elements that underlies experience, and without whi(Jii*3fr perience is impossible; opposed to empiricism or experientialism." (Stand- H7 ard Dictionary.) "In metaphysics, the doctrine of a priori cognitions; the doctrine that knowledge is not all produced by the action of outward things upon themselves, but partly arises from the natural adaption of the mind to think things that are true. "The form of Rationalism which is now in the ascendant, resembles the theory of natural evolution in this, that the latter finds the race more real than the individual, and the individual to exist only in the race; so the former looks upon the individual reason as but a finite manifestation of the universal reason." (Cent. Diet.) (d) Rationalistic Elements and Methods: A fine description of rationalistic elements and method of philosophizing, is given in one of Ernest Haeckel's latest works. "We must welcome as one of the most fortunate steps in the direction of a solution of the great cosmic problems, the fact that of recent years there is a growing tendency to recognize the two paths which alone lead thereto — experience and thought, or speculation — to be of equal value, and mutually complementary. Philosophers have come to see that pure speculation — such, for instance, as Plato and Hegel employed for the construction of their idealist systems — does not lead to knowledge of reality. On the other hand, scientists have been convinced that mere experience — such as Bacon and Mill, for example, made the basis of their realist systems — is insufficient of itself for a complete philosophy. * * * "True knowledge is only acquired by combining the activity of the two. Nevertheless there are still many philosophers who would construct the world out of their own inner-consciousness, and who reject our empirical science precisely because they have no knowledge of the real world. On the other hand, there are many scientists who still contend that the sole object of science is 'the knowledge of facts, the objective investigation of isolated phenomena;' that 'the age of philosophy' is past, and science has taken its place. This one-sided over-estimation of experience is as dangerous an error as the converse exaggeration of the value of speculation." (Riddle of the Universe — 1900 — pp. 18-19.) (e) Pantheism : "The metaphysical doctrine that God is the only substance, of which the material universe and man are only manifestations. It is accompanied with the denial of God's personality." (Cent. Diet.) God and the universe are identical — the universe is the only reality. (See also note 4, Lesson xx.) (f). Materialism: "The metaphysical doctrine that matter is the only substance, and that matter and its motions constitute the universe. Philosophical materialism holds that matter and the motions of matter make up the sum total of existence, and that what we know as physical phenomena in man and other animals, are to be interpreted in an ulti- mate analysis as simply the peculiar aspect which is assumed by cei'tain enormously complicated motions of matter." (Cent. Diet.) (g) Monism: "The doctrine which considers mind and matter as neither separated nor as derived from each other, but as standing in an essential and inseparable connection." Any system of thought which seeks to deduce all the varied phenomena of both the physical and spiritual worlds from a single principle. (Standard Dictionary, F. W.) Ernest Haeckel, Monism's most illustrious disciple, if not its founder thus defines it: "All the different philosophical tendencies may, from the point of view of modern science, be ranged in two antagonistic groups; they represent either a dualistic or a mouistic interpretation of the cosmos. The former is usually bound up with teleological and idealistic dogmas, the latter with menchanical and realistic theories. Dualism, in the widest sense, breaks up the universe into two entirely distinct substances— the material world and an immaterial God, who is represented to be its creator, sustainer and ruler. Monism, on the contrary (likewise taken in its widest sense), recognizes one sole substance in the universe, which is at once "God and nature;" body and spirit (or matter and energy) it holds to be inseparable. The extra-mundane God of dualism leads necessarily to theism; and the intra-mundane God of the monist leads to pantheism. "The different ideas of monism and materialism, and likewise the essentially distinct tendencies of theoretical and practical materialism, are still very frequently confused. As this and other similar cases of confusion of ideas are very prejudicial, and give rise to innumerable errors, we shall make the following brief observations, in order to prevent mis- understanding: "1. Pure monism is identical neither with the theoretical materialism that denies the existence of a spirit, and dissolves the world into a heap of dead atoms, nor with the theoretical spiritualism (lately entitled 'energetic' spiritualism by Oswald) which rejects the notion of matter, and considers the world to be a specially arranged group of 'energies,' or immaterial natural forces. "2. On the contrary, we hold, with Goethe, 'that matter cannot exist and be operative without spirit, nor spirit without matter.' We adhere firmly to the pure, unequivocal monism of Spinoza: Matter, or infinitely extended substance, and spirit (or energy), or sensitive and thinking substance, are the two fundamental attributes or principle properties of the all-embracing divine essence of the world, the universal substance." (Riddle of the Universe, pp. 20-21.) (h) Mormonism — Eternalism: As a philosophical system, Mormonism may not be classed under any of the titles so far employed. Eternalism, I should select as the word best suited for its philosophical conceptions. It is duahstic. but not in the sense that it "breaks up the universe into two entirely distinct substances, the material world and an immaterial God " (Haeckel, see note 8.) It is also monistic, but not m the sense that in the last analysis of things it recognizes no distinctions in matter, or that matter (gross material) and spirit (mind, a finer and thinking kind of material)* are fused into one inseparable "sole substance." which is at once . "God and nature." (Haeckel. note 8.) Its dualism is that which while recognizing an 'infinitely extended substance"— the universe, "unbounded and empty in no part, but everywhere filled with substance" (Haeckel's Law of Substance)-holds, neverthe substance exists in two principal modes, having less, that such some qualities in common, and in others being distinct. (1) Gross material, usually recognized as matter, pure and simple. (2) A finer, thinking substance, usually regarded, by other systems of thought, as spirit, i. e., immateri al substance These kinds of matter have existed from all eternity, and will exist to all eternity in intimate relations. Neither produces the other, however- they are eternal existences. They constitute the Book of Mormon "things to act, and things to be acted upon." (2 Nephi, ch. 2 14.) The Monism of Mormonism, while recognizing the universe as infnotely extended substance, matter, and hence, in this respect monistic yet It also recognizes this substance as of two kinds; one gross material; the other finer, or thinking material-mind; having some qualities in common, with gross matter, and in others being distinc t. After these distmctions are made, and if constantly held in consciousness, so that there shall not be a loss of distinction in things, we may hereafter use the terms Intelligence" and "Matter" as naming the Mormonism, the eternal and infinitely extended substa two modes in which tor nce-the Universe —exists. To say that intelligence dominates matter, and produces a^J t^e ceaseless changes going on in the universe, both of creatio n and demo'li- *I use the modifying terms of the brackets mstead of "ponder able" and imponderable substance" (sometimes used in describing the ether) because I am not sure as to which it must not possess if it"spirit substance" being without be described as "imponderable " weight' Also I use "gross material" and "finer material." because they are terms most nearly suited-and indeed suggested— in the distinct ion Smith when announcing, in the passage which follows, made by Joseph that "All spirit is matter." "There is no such thing as immaterial matter [substance! AH spirit IS matter, but is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes. We cannot see it [now]; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter." (Doc. & Gov., sec 131; 6-8.) tion* (or evolution and devolution) — is simply to say that the superior dominates the inferior; that that which acts is greater than that which is acted upon; that mind is the Eternal Cause of the "ever becoming" in the universe — the Cause and Sustainer of the cosmic world. It is also to say that mind is power; that mind is thought, and will, and life, and love i?Bi ' o-^Modes of Existence of the Infinitely Extended Substance-— The Universe: As the gross material exists ultimately in final particles — atoms, or something • smaller, if you will — uncreated and uncreatable; so the finer or thinking substance, intelligence, exists in ultimate entities^— uncreated and uncreatable.t .■ '-; "And as the gross material atoms exist some in organized worlds and world-systems — ^the cosmos — and also others in chaotic mass; so the finer or thinking substance — the intelligent entities, exist in somewhat analogous states; some in the form of perfected, exalted men, clothed upon with immortal bodies, participating in a nature that is divine, having won their exaltation through the experiences, through stress and trial in the various estates, or changes through which they have passed. Other intelligencies exist in spirit-bodies, less advanced than the first class, possessed of less experience and of power and of dignity; still they are in the way of progress through other estates, yet to be experienced by them. Other intelligent entities exist as intelligences merely, not yet the begotten spirits, not yet united, with elements on the grosser substance, union with which is essential to the highest development of intelligences.? Such the Mormon view of the universe and the modes of existence in 'iii-'-tjriefly outlined. These existences, both of the thinking substance, and the grosser materials, are subject to infinite changes and developments, in which there are no ultimateis. Each succeeding wave of progress may attain higher, aftd evei" higher degrees of excellence, btit irevei* attain ♦"There are many worlds that have passed away by the word of My power. And there are many that now stand. * * * And as one eartb shall pass away, and the heavens thereof, even so shall another come; and there is no end to My works." (The Lord to Moses, Pearl of Great Price, pp. 6-7.) Hence the "creation and demolition," or evolution and "' '' ■''^'"ffr>irfw ^•■■■•■j.n i,iu.~^-.-,^yr. devolution of the text.' ' sol 9r> rii .saiofluonnij nsriw AYimS t"Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or juade, neither indeed can be." (Doc. & Gov., Sec. 93; 29.) r.^ ^ •,, ,, and $The elements element, [i. e., connected inseparably of the gross [as materiklj aiffe eternal, in resurrected aii'ireceive persons], spirit a fulness of joy; and when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy." (Doc. & Cov., Sec. 93.) perfection — the ideal recedes ever as it is approached, and hence progress is eternal, even for the highest existences. As to methods of thinking, Mormon philosophizing is bound by no rules prescribed by any of the schools of thought. 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